Liver Cleanse and Stones

From a reader:

“What is your take on the prevalence of intrahepatic stones in the Western world, especially as revealed by post-mortem examination (uncalcified ones apparently don’t show in radiography – not sure about ultrasound)?  According to authors Dr. Hulda Clark ( and Andreas Moritz (, these are of significance. If they are, any thoughts on how to best clear them in the context of yoga/ayurveda?”

When I was Rishikesh, India studying Yoga several years ago, there was a 72 year old Theravada Buddhist nun in my class who was convinced that we needed to do this liver cleanse at the time. She wanted us to do the liver detox together, drink a cup of oil mixed with a cup of lemon juice and some salt on an empty stomach.

VJ, the nun, and me

My friend had done this cleanse several times and was absolutely convinced that it was cleaning her out because of the small round ” liver stones” that came out the other end. Now, I loved this woman immensely and I had a great respect for her and her deep spiritual path, but my Western training just wouldn’t let me get on board with her liver cleanse.

It seemed obvious to me that she was getting something out the other end because of some kind of chemical reaction of the ingredients with other things such as digestive enzymes and bile acids that her body produced. Everything I had ever been taught about the liver, the gallbladder, and stones from that part of the digestive system just didn’t jive with what she believed to be true.

When I got home from India, I remembered my friend who has since passed on and I did a little research. I like to keep an open mind, and I realize that there is some brainwashing within any organized system and that includes western medicine.

And I still don’t buy into my friend’s interpretation of her liver cleanse.

To one who understands the anatomy and physiology of the digestive tract, the chemistry is fairly clear. Drinking oil causes the release of bile from the gallbladder into the intestine. The job of the bile is to form a coat around fat droplets to aid in their digestion. Little spherical balls are created, and given the large amount of oil consumed all at once, the spheres may be larger than usual.

Because such a large amount of oil is ingested on an empty stomach, the ability of the body to digest it all is overwhelmed. Couple that with the fact that many of these cleanses add Epsom salts (magnesium sulfate) or high concentrations of table salt which act as laxatives to speed the transit time through the intestine allowing for even less digestion of the bile-oil complexes. The end result is little yellowish-greenish balls that float in the toilet.

There’s an academic pathologist at Kansas City University of Medicine and Biosciences, Ed Friedlander, MD, who blogs about some alternative medicine topics at  He’s a bit inflammatory, but it comes from a real feeling of indignation that people have been manipulated and misled. I agree with what he says here about the liver cleanse:

“interesting things will appear in the toilet bowl soon after. But I’m afraid that they’re not your gallstones. Here’s why:

    • Real gallstones are faceted polyhedra, like the ones in the picture on the links below, or else shaped like mulberries. What you’ll get from the recipe are spheres. One of my correspondents describes a friend who saved the spheres and displayed them to his friends.
    • Real gallstones hurt bad when they pass through the cystic and common bile ducts.
    • Real gallstones sink in water. (As an autopsy pathologist, I’m very familiar with this.) The “gallstones” you’ll produce from this recipe will float, as the “alternative thinkers” themselves point out. (They claim that real gallstones float, too. Liars.)”

And he goes on to say:

“Hulda Regehr Clark, the author of “The Cure for all Cancers” and “The Cure For HIV/AIDS” promotes this. Since she claims to have both a doctorate in naturopathy and a Ph.D. in something (the latter implying having done substantial original lab research), one would think she would have made an experiment with a real gallstone and discovered that it sinks. There’s a nice photo, which she stole from my friend, pathologist Ed Klatt MD. She calls them “such small stones” though they’re obviously 7-10 mm across. She thinks the stones she displayed formed in the liver and “rolled” into the gallbladder, which is silly. You see many more stones in the gallbladder because that’s where bile is concentrated and stored; if they all “rolled” there from the liver, we’d see much more biliary colic. She says gallstones “can be of any color”, which is a hoot. She also claims that the major cause of gallstones is wearing shoes.


“My notes on the gallstone flush have generated considerable “controversy”. I look forward to a real surgeon taking these people on a visit to the surgical ward to see whether it’s really true that 99% of people who pass a gallstone have no pain, or whether most gallstones sink or float in water. (The impurities make them heavy. They sink. If you have any doubts about who is massively ignorant, go ask any general surgeon or pathologist.) There are also photos, some of which appear to be real smooth faceted gallstones, and others showing shaggy surfaces that are obviously not gallstones. Instead of continuing to sling mud at me, these people should take somebody with ultrasonographically-proven gallstones, administer the “flush”, and repeat the ultrasonogram. If there are now no gallstones, publish the finding in a non-refereed junk journal. The fact that nobody’s done this invites the obvious conclusion. If you are presented with the physical results of a “gallstone flush”, cut it in half. Real gallstones have concentric layers of colors often varying from pale yellow through black, sometimes with a center of radiating crystals.”

“Follow-up: August 2007. My cyberfriend Marlene Curyer, who tells me she’s not at all hostile to alternative health claims, decided to try the gallstone flush, complete with Chinese herbs. She also decided to take my challenge and get an ultrasound before and after a gallstone flush. “To say I was disappointed is vastly understating the case. There appeared to be more stones (my surgeon concurred). On top of that, I immediately felt worse… I have had pain and nausea on a daily basis since the last flush. Previously, these episodes had been uncomfortable but infrequent.” Of course, to date no one has written me about a gallstone flush shown to have worked by real imaging. The mud-slinging on the message boards has also stopped.”




    55 Comments to “Liver Cleanse and Stones”

    1. Boxy on March 15th, 2011 9:47 am

      well Did you get a final proof that gall bladder stones do sink?
      by the way nice site :)

    2. Chanin on June 12th, 2011 8:20 am

      Very interesting! I am a great believer in cleanses. I do however keep an open mind to all arguments. Both for and against. I have done a liver, gall, kidney cleanse 3 times myself. I have gotten loads of “stones” each time. I got the most stones the last time that I fasted and flushed. Here is a link to my photos.
      I find you argument well thought out and convincing. I would be willing to take on an experiment.
      Lets say I fast for three days and flush on the eve of the third day. collect the stones. I continue to fast and flush the next evening. collect the stones. Lets just say I do this flushing and fasting for 7 days. If you are correct then I should have the same amount of “stones” every morning. Due to the fact that I am only consuming only apple juice, oil, water and lemon juice. If these ingredients “create” the stones then in theory the amount of stones should be consistent. However if the amount of stones decreases over the days of flushing then I hypothesize that the liver and gall bladder would be void of stones.
      I must add that following my second cleanse I had an ultrasound of my gall bladder (at the hospital) there were no stones to be found. I did not have an ultrasound before the cleanse. So it is possible that I had no stones in the first place.
      My boyfriend did the exact same fast and cleanse two times and got very few stones both times. Even though he drank more oil and lemon juice than I did. Which if the oil and lemon juice create the stones he should have had the same amount or more stones. Both of our stones are in the album. Just read the caption.

      This is the kidney and gall cleanse that I used!!

      Three days of fasting on filtered organic apple juice and distilled water. As much as you can drink of both. I get 3 gal of each. That flushes the kidneys of any stones (I did not strain this time to catch them, so no pictures.) Then before you go to bed on the third day you drink 1/4 cup of fresh squeezed lemon juice (no pulp). Next 1/2 cup of oil (of your choice I used cold pressed virgin organic peanut oil). If the oil is cold it goes down much easier. You can rinse your mouth with tomato juice to cut the taste of the oil. Then you lay on your right side with a pillow under your hip (I sleep like this for as long as I can). The next morning these will be floating in the water. Oh yeah I also do colonics EVERY morning so that my system is empty. But that is basically it. The worst part is drinking the oil. :P:P

      No pain. The stones come out like soy wax.

      I would also be willing to have before and after ultrasounds.
      Thanks for your time and blog.

    3. Dr. Summers on June 12th, 2011 2:19 pm

      Thanks for the long comment. It sounds like you’ve been working hard to detox! I’m happy you have such a strong motivation to cleanse, but I disagree about how effective all that hard work really is. I’m working on a Yoga detox book right now to explain the best way for a thorough detox – hope to have it out by the first of the year.
      As far as your boyfriend getting different results than you – well, he is a different person. Depending on the length of his intestines (we’re all a little different and those of men are longer) a varying amount of oil will be absorbed into the body rather than precipitate into “stones” in the GI tract. Also with a continued fast for you, you are likely to begin to absorb more of the oil as your body tries to compensate for its low calorie intake so you may not have as many stones on the following days. I don’t recommend the experiment. I love fasting for 24 or at the most 48 hours, but longer than that and you begin to have some bad side effects at the molecular level – ones you don’t see right away on the surface but detrimental for health nonetheless. Also you can burn out your thyroid. The basal metabolic rate begins to react around the 48-72 hour mark which will precipitate a tendency to gain weight subsequently as your body has learned to be more efficient with the calories that are coming in as it worries famine may be nearing.
      Not sure where you are to order an ultrasound. Maybe it is something to discuss with your personal doctor.
      Best of luck,

    4. Chanin on June 12th, 2011 6:48 pm

      If I read correctly you did not do the cleanse that your friend requested of you. If you had you would have surely felt the expulsion of the stones, as I have three times. Now you may argue that this is a release of bile that is felt. I am curious as to your explanation. You may also argue that gall stones sink in water. I challenge you to remove a liver stone from the duct of a cadaver and see if it floats. If it too sinks to the bottom, I may rest my case. However if it floats I think we have our answer as to where the “floating stones” come from.

      Maybe you can mix lemon juice and oil incubate it at 98 add some digestive juice and enzymes, wait 12 hours and see of you get stones.

      I think you should do the cleanse.


    5. Dr. Summers on June 29th, 2011 1:14 pm

      Real gallstones sink in water. Period. Many have been removed from cadavers, and they sink. I trust my pathology and surgery doctor friends to tell me the truth. They have no reason to lie. I also understand chemistry and therefore understand why they should sink in comparison to “cleanse balls.” I do not need to personally go find a cadaver and remove anything.

      I also don’t need to perform a low-quality science experiment in my kitchen. It wouldn’t mimic the human body, which is a vastly complex living creature, not a glass of stuff.

      I was a physiology major in college with a minor in chemistry. I spent five years in pharmacology grad school deepening my understanding of how the body and it’s natural chemicals work. Then I went to one of the best medical schools in the US and learned more about the body and pathology, including clinical patho-physiology. Then, of course, residency and clinical practice where I diagnosed and treated many patients with gallstones. From all of my education, understanding, and reasoning abilities, I believe I should not do the cleanse.

      I also think you should not do the cleanse.

      Isn’t it wonderful we have the freedom to choose whom to believe and how to care for ourselves?

    6. Marlene Curyer on April 16th, 2012 6:04 pm

      Stumbled across this article. I’m the Marlene Curyer quoted in the extract from the Ed Friedlander extract. I can clarify my comment – might help some people. I had an ultrasound Feb 2006 to determine whether or not I had an ulcer or gallstones. Turned out to be the latter – quite a few small ones. I was referred to a surgeon but didn’t want an operation; I wanted to try to resolve it via natural means. It wasn’t bothering me too much and I eventually learned about gallstone flushes. I tried at least 3 flushes over the months, one was just the lemon juice and olive oil type and two involved a course of Chinese herbs for 2-3 weeks first (ordered from a website specifically for this). After the last flush, I felt almost constantly nauseous and in pain. After 8-9 acute attacks (and I say “acute” – got an idea of what childbirth might be like) – one of which took 5 days to resolve and caused jaundice – I decided I just wanted the gallbladder out. Got another scan done about Feb 2007 (i.e. a year later) and there were visibly more gallstones. I still have copies of both scans. I suspect that, if the flush had done anything, it may have moved some stones from the gallbladder (where they cause discomfort) to the common bile duct (where they cause acute attacks if they get stuck and can be life-threatening if the pancreas gets affected, I believe). The second scan showed my common bile duct had stretched by 40% – no wonder it hurt! So, had the op Sep 2007 and felt immediately better from the time I woke up, despite the physical trauma.

    7. Dr. Summers on April 16th, 2012 9:35 pm

      Dear Marlene,

      Thank you so much for sharing more of your story! I believe you are basically right about “if the flush had done anything, it may have moved some stones from the gallbladder (where they cause discomfort) to the common bile duct (where they cause acute attacks if they get stuck and can be life-threatening if the pancreas gets affected, I believe.” Big stones are too large to navigate the entrance to the cystic duct and small stones may flush right through – but the medium sized stones? They may find their way into the ductal system but get stuck, and that’s when they cause pain, inflammation, and potentially pancreatitis.

      Glad you are feeling better and that the issue is resolved for you. While I’m a big proponent of natural therapies, there are instances when a scalpel can do wonders with little risk. Often this is just the case with gallstones.

      All the best,

    8. Mike Wilmeth on May 9th, 2012 9:12 pm

      Ok so you admit that the clense can “move the stones”into the bile duct but wont admit they disolve them.? What is your theory on why after several treatments the stones people see ,stop coming out and dont come out on later treatments.It seems people say that happens over and over.The balls quit coming out and even after redoing a treatment a year later ,still see no more balls? I have a .5 cm stone I found out today and am going to try this flush and return in 6 months for a new ultra sound. If it is gone will you accept the flush works or claim it passed on its own? I would only add that I see lots of people who were skeptics and swear that after the flush they felt so much better ,with pain that was intense completely disappearing? I get your angle about ultrasound proof, and i want to see that too but i also get sick of doctors not accepting testimonials as evidence of valid treatments. these people are not lying or all getting a placebo effect. take care.

    9. Mike on May 9th, 2012 9:36 pm

      I tried to post proof i found but it disappeared, its on the site cure zone and the title is British Journal of Surgery Volume 79 Examines Liver Flush Proves it works

    10. Dr. Summers on May 10th, 2012 9:33 pm


      Thanks for your comments. I’ve found the citation you were referring to:

      Anyone can access the article for a 24-hour period (for a fee) – or go look it up in their local medical school library for free.

      I’ve got a lot more to say on this topic, but don’t have the time to give it justice for you right now. Maybe I can do a full update about it again soon.

      Briefly, I found a few other research articles (only one of which indicated a positive response), and in fact, tried very hard to talk my friend from medical school, who is now a radiologist at an academic institution, to try to flush her own gallstones with this natural method. Timing is everything. She could have performed an ultrasound on herself and then immediately “flushed her stones.” Then, if she repeated the ultrasound within 24 hours of the first and they were gone – THEN we’d have a serious anecdote that might then let us study it further with more people.

      I couldn’t convince her. She felt it was too dangerous. (She was also very reluctant to have a lap chole but chose that route as the safer option). Great if the small stones flush out because the oil pulls them into the intestines. And fine if it doesn’t do anything for the big ones that can’t fit into the duct and so hang out in the gallbladder forever. But it was the medium sized ones she was terrified of – they’re the ones that pass into the duct but get stuck. And when they do it hurts really bad. And pancreatitis, cholecystitis, and infection are all serious complications. It wasn’t worth the risk for her. She had a lot of stones, all different sizes.

      The case report you mention doesn’t mean anything to me. Gallstones pass on their own all the time when they are small enough to do so. If it was several months between the patient’s ultrasound and his flush, then there’s no proof it was actually the flush that cleared them rather than simple regression to the mean. And it doesn’t change the fact that a “wrong” sized stone could get caught and cause serious trouble.

    11. Mike on May 10th, 2012 11:47 pm

      Mine is .5 cm and is “1 stone” what are the chances in your opinion that it could pass on its own? it was called”mobile” In your opinion is that small med or large and if the clense does work is that too big to pass through, is their a high risk of it getting stuck or could it pass through? They want to wait 6 mts to re ultrasound but im scared to leave it if the clense could get it out before it grows. I really dont want the surgery and thought the clense was worth a try. My doc says gallbladder removal can lead to problems later. they also see a .3 cm legion adherent to the wall which I have no idea what that implies.I appricate your info. blessings and light. <3

    12. Dr. Summers on May 11th, 2012 9:12 am


      A 0.5 cm stone is rather small. I cannot speak to your personal circumstances over the internet, but I can say that, in general, the best course of action for someone with a lone small stone is to not do anything drastic. Most stones form from undissolved cholesterol – either because there is too much cholesterol or not enough bile acids to act as the detergent. The most important thing someone with gallstones can do is to limit the amount of fat intake, particularly saturated fat, which the liver turns into cholesterol, to prevent further increase in size or new stone formation. It may pass on its own or even dissolve. Sometimes it’s best to simply focus on nurturing the body and let nature take care of itself.

    13. arend on May 20th, 2012 3:24 pm

      I just read most of “The liver and gallbladder miracle cleanse” by Andreas Moritz.
      He says that one of the main actions of the epsom salts is to widen the bile ducts in order to make it easy for the stones to pass, i guess preventing them to get stuck.
      Another important point seems to be the distinction between gallstones from the liver ( mostly greenish ) and those from the gallbladder ( white, dark or tan coloured ) which “may sink to the bottom of the stool.”
      The latter would occur usually only after five to eight flushes and be calcified and containing heavier toxic substances and much less cholesterol than the gallstones descending from the liver.
      It is an interesting book, perhaps more based on experience and intuïtion than modern medical science that may be more convincing at first sight but things are not always as they appear, nor truthfull, black-and-white or crystal clear.
      I prefer to acknowledge not to know rather than believing anyone, including :
      Well, let’s have these stones be examined again independantly ;).

    14. Dr. Summers on May 21st, 2012 9:13 am

      Thanks for the comment and the link. As far Moritz’s explanations, they don’t make any sense to me. How would the liver make stones? It has no concentrating ability like the gallbladder. There is absolutely no evidence the liver makes any stones at all, and physiologically there is no mechanism by which this can occur. And how would epsom salts widen the bile ducts? And especially, how would it widen the bile duct to such a significant degree that stones of all sizes are guaranteed to slide right through? Anecdote and intuition don’t cut it when you’re asking people to risk life-threatening complications from an impacted stone. There has to at least be a reasonable mechanism behind the hypothesis.

      I’d love it if this flush would actually work. It would be so great to treat patients’ gallstones without a scalpel. Wishing it doesn’t make it so. I’m keeping an open mind. Fat in the intestine releases bile from the gallbladder, and an enormous load of it may release stones right along with it. Small stones will pass without problems. Big stones won’t fit into the bile duct opening. Medium-sized stones have the (albeit rare) potential to kill a person if they gut stuck in the ductal system and cause pancreatitis, etc. You need an ultrasound first to document the size of the stones(s) relative to the size of the duct. Then a flush ONLY if it appears the stone is small enough to fit. Then repeat the ultrasound in 24 hours for “proof.” That’s the very first step.

      As far as the chemistry of those things that come out of most people who claim they are gallstones, that’s settled for everyone who understands chemistry. It’s smoke and mirrors. Can there be a tiny real stone in the smoke? Potentially. That doesn’t alter the danger of the flush for those with the “wrong” sized stones.

      Regardless, the most important thing you can do for yourself is to limit formation of stones in the first place. Don’t overwhelm the gallbladder with too much cholesterol. And that primarily means limit the amount of fat in the diet, particularly saturated fat. And increase the amount of fiber. At the very least, take in the recommended 25 grams – although I believe much more is better.

    15. arend on May 23rd, 2012 4:10 am

      Thanks for your answer too and for bringing up the topic.
      These “gallstones” from the liver are ( supposed to be ) “intraheptic” or “biliary” stones.
      Moritz states that these greenish stones are made of cholesterol and some bile constituants, while the two men that examined one sample of a client state that the stones contained 75 % fatty acids and no cholesterol.
      I do not want to rely upon one little analysis done by people that actually may do have a conflict of interest, being more or less part of the currently dominant medical industry.
      Fortunatedly it must be easy to check out who is correct here, and if the stones are merely some sort of soap, then we can almost safely disregard the liverflush-theory.
      It could imply that Moritz is lying when he says that after a number of flushes no more stones are to be seen, unless the gallbladder somehow learns to ignore this type of shock-treatment.
      Of course there are opportunists in every field, and it is easy to cleverly mix up truth and lies in order to sell well.
      On the other hand ( in my view ) everybody is dishonest and dumb in various ways and degrees, and no whole truth is likely to be ever “known” by the human mind.
      Nevertheless, leaving the spiritual question of free will aside, it is ( might be ) up to each of us to determine which theories make the most sense, have practical value and are compatible with our experienced inner and outer nature.
      In case liverflushes are a bad joke, then I’m wondering when one’s health is already impaired by present stones, wether in the liver or the gallbladder, can things only get worse or do ( either kind of ) these stones dissolve slowly or break down sometimes ?
      Probably millions of liverflushes have been performed, are there many cases of serious complications reported ?
      If you or any other person that seems reliable did have stones produced by liverflushes chemically examined, i would love to hear about the results.

    16. arend on May 24th, 2012 8:31 am

      Please read in the last sentence : “…do have stones…” instead of “…did have stones…”
      If you had a sample analysed already, we would have known.
      My english is not good anyway ;(, but i keep on trying.
      Epsom salts could perhaps widen the sphincter of Oddi since magnesium relaxes muscles ( excuse me if this is not relevant or sensible ).
      According to
      “Gallstones are collections of cholesterol, bile pigment or a combination of the two, which can form in the gallbladder or within the bile ducts of the liver.”
      So the confusion about the gallstones seems to be widespread.
      Regarding my philosophical comments, if these seem incomprehensible, just ignore them, it’s off-topic and merely some sort of fun.

    17. Dr. Summers on May 24th, 2012 11:09 am

      Oh, my gosh. I see what you mean about that website. Thanks for sharing that! My understanding as a physician follows this one from the NIH:

      “Gallstones can block the normal flow of bile if they move from the gallbladder and lodge in any of the ducts that carry bile from the liver to the small intestine. The ducts include: hepatic ducts, which carry bile out of the liver; the cystic duct, which takes bile to and from the gallbladder; and the common bile duct, which takes bile from the cystic and hepatic ducts to the small intestine.” “

      If stones actually formed in the liver’s hepatic ducts, we ought to see a lot more liver inflammation from it. The ducts are smallest in the liver and grow larger as the ducts coalesce to the main hepatic duct – which is where we see most blockages. It seems more likely that the stones thus form in the GB and roll “backward” rather than the other way around.

      Magnesium relaxing the Sphincter of Oddi is an interesting hypothesis. If that worked, that would be wonderful. Just think how many gallstones impacted in it causing life-threatening pancreatitis could be removed with invasive procedures as is required now. Most of us get lots of magnesium in the diet already though, and we don’t see an effect on sphincters. High doses of intravenous magnesium were once given to some pregnant women to stop contractions of the uterus during preterm labor, but it only works at very high doses in a range where there are usually unattractive side effects. I believe you would need such a drastically high dose to see anything similar in the muscle of the sphincter. Epsom salts won’t get you there.

      I appreciate the active and thoughtful mind. Thanks much for your comments. Kathleen

    18. SarahB on July 25th, 2012 11:28 am

      Post gall bladdr surgery I started experiencing white stools (evidence that bile was not making it to the gut) which I assumed meant a blockage. Since I had improved my diet and it was so soon after surgery, I assumed that it was a vestige of the operation. I took milk thistle and ate green leafy vegetables and it worked. Now I check my stool if it doesn’t stink, to make sure it’s dark. I also include more cooked green leafy vegs. I recommend arugula. It’s easy to grow and you can eat it raw or cooked – no oxalates.

    19. katheraw on August 13th, 2012 5:28 pm

      i have done 4 liver flushes so far and intend to do several more. each time i have purged hundreds of stones – of various colors. it’s important to do it right to avoid problems. apple juice, with added malic acid crystals dissolved in it, softens the stones and even gets a few out. drink this for a few days, along with eating lightly, and on the evening of the flush, one drinks a strong solution of epsom salts and water. Yes, it is plenty of magnesium to relax all the tubing. then at bedtime, a mixture of lemon juice and olive oil – and the next morning hundreds of intrahepatic stones come out. google images of intrahepatic stones – you’ll see them still in the liver. Andreas Moritz ‘ book has been invaluable to me. He has all the info for free on his website also -

    20. Oscar on January 17th, 2013 1:34 pm

      I had an uncle in Peru who suffered from tremendous stomach pain for several years due to gallbladder stones. He went to a Naturopathic doctor who showed him how to flush the stones out. He followed the procedure and passed the stones and saved his gallbladder from being removed.

    21. Dee on January 20th, 2013 2:44 pm

      Is is dangerous to do flushes? I mean,can the stones get stuck somewhere along the way and make things more painful and complicated,or could one even die?

    22. Dr. Summers on January 21st, 2013 10:01 am

      Yes, it can be dangerous to do flushes if you actually do have real gallstones. Swallowing oil will make the gallbladder contract to expel the stones. The small ones will slide easily through the cystic duct (the tube connecting the gallbladder to the small intestine), but they will do that naturally when eating a normal amount of fat in the diet. The largest ones won’t fit into the cystic duct and they will remain in the gallbladder unlikely to cause much harm. It’s the medium sized ones that you have to worry about. They may be small enough to fit into the opening of the duct, but as the tube gets narrower, they may get stuck. When that happens you develop full blown cholecystitis – which can be life-threatening in addition to terribly painful.

    23. Stef on February 5th, 2013 9:49 am

      Can you explain why my terrible skin is now glowing after my liver flushes, my energy is restored, my sinus issues are gone, my food sensitivities are gone? Keep an open mind…. I had barely any green floating stones… I had the ones that were clay colored and sank. After suffering for years, these flushes have saved my life. I have tried EVERYTHING from eating a pure clean diet to supplements, etc etc, and nothing has worked as miraculously as these liver/ gallbladder cleanses.

    24. Elodie on February 13th, 2013 4:16 am

      I have had nausia for sometime now especially after food. I recently had a scan and found out I have gallstones. dont know how many or size. even looking on the scan images I just got i cant tell.
      I would like to do the flushes but I am a bit scared at the moment. I want to shrink them with diet etc first…
      The doctor did give me details of someone who did cure one of her patients who had severe gallstone and was jaundiced. He’s a nutritionist and keneziologist. I am going to see him soon and hopfully he can help me as he did with the other lady. I will let you know the progress. I am also going for colonics to help clear the body.
      I know lots of people who have done the flushes and go really good results. Its important that they are done properly and possibly a parasite and kidney cleanse that Dr Clark recomends first.
      I will let you know how goes with the nutritionist first. Doctors sugested that if problems persist I can have my Gallbladder removed. I am not going to do this. no way. She did say that if she had this problem she would try alternative routes first like diet and flushes.

    25. Karyn on February 13th, 2013 1:13 pm

      I am doing research for my mother, who has had an ultra-sound and does have gall-stones, she is waiting on sugary to have her gall bladder removed.
      I have read over Andreas Mortiz Miracle Cleans and am fairly convinced this practice is worth trying. Western medicine seems to agree the gallbladder is not all that important of an organ. ** I want to hear from those of you who have had your gallbladder removed and now have have regret and/or complications.**
      Elodie, I look forward to hearing your results. I wish the timing was better for I do not have a long time before my mothers surgery.

      Please comment if you have had an ultra sound showing real stones in the gull bladder and tried Mortiz’s “Miracle cleanse” I want to hear about your experience and results.


    26. Willem-Jan on February 21st, 2013 6:10 pm

      Dear Kathleen,

      Very interesting reading here. I have been diagnosed with gallstones about six weeks ago, and was scheduled for cystectomie on the 19th of february 2013. I became aware of the liverflush a few weeks ago and decided to -at least- pospone the surgery. Have been reading a lot. My biggest stone is 1,5 cm. I suppose that this is a medium sized stone? I can’t seem to find many stories on the web where people got their gallstones stuck in the common bile duct after the liver flush. But the story of MARLENE CURYER ON APRIL 16TH, 2012 6:04 PM really makes me wonder about the risks involved here.

      thanks to everyone for the information shared here.
      kind regards
      Wim Jan

    27. Elodie on March 9th, 2013 4:31 pm

      Hello. I have just checked in to this site again. i thought that I would get an email alert but I didnt.. I just read the Marlene Curyer story. Yes very scarey. I think that this is a slim chance of happening, I hope.
      I an now seing a nutritionist who also does Keneziology together. he is hi in his field and has writen books on insulin and food intolerance bible.
      Anyhow he has said that my gallstone, lypomas, cyst and fybroids are all common linked and that my body isnt getting rid of fats properly so its storing things like this in my body. his aim is to change the enviroment within my body where stones will not form. and they will start to shrink. I also saw the surgeon who proded my stomack and has left me in some pain.. Dont know if things have got a bit inflamed. I have lost weight and I hope to eventually do some flushes.. I am a bit nerveous but I have heard of many people , even from the doctor who have dealt with gallstones through diets and flushes. So it is possible. A friend had her gallbladder removed and then her liver went fatty and in distress. and then she had to address her diet. so it doesnt mean they wont still form. you have to adress this situation now. I will keep reporting.

    28. Dr. Summers on March 9th, 2013 9:43 pm

      Hello Elodie. I am sorry to hear about your friend. Having a bad diet can give your gallstones and it can also give you fatty liver. Fatty liver has NOTHING to do with gallstones other than their common link to food and obesity. “it doesn’t mean they won’t still form” is untrue. It is only the gallbladder that has the concentrating ability to form gallstones.

      Congratulations on losing weight! It’s one of the most important things you can do for your health. Obesity ranks only behind smoking as the leading cause of preventable disease leading to death in our culture. Way to go. I’m proud of you.

      As far the gallstone flushes, I recommend you avoid them.

      Were you speaking of uterine fibroids? There is a link between them and obesity, and changing the diet and losing weight will help to prevent new ones from forming. Cysts are a different story altogether. Lypomas far are benign fatty tumors which are only a cosmetic issue. Anyway – I’m not sure it’s that your body isn’t “getting rid of fat properly” as much as it is bringing in too much fat and too many calories (which are them chemically converted to fat). Have you tried alternate day fasting and a vegetarian diet without cheese (but a little low fat milk and yogurt without sugar okay)? That’s a much better idea than drinking oil to make fake “stones.”

      Wishing you all the best,

    29. Elisha on March 12th, 2013 1:21 am

      In regards to your dismissal of liver stones, I believe they actually do exist, though perhaps only in diseased livers. My friend recently had a liver transplant (he had PBC) and his surgeon (at Indiana University Hospital) told him that his old liver and its surrounding ducts were full of stones. Liver stones are almost always pigmented and contain bile.
      I want to also point out that I’ve passed tiny white stones (assuming they are from the GB) during a coffee enema detox. Throughout the course of 5 days, I completed a series of coffee and warm water enemas. I drank only fresh juice and water during the detox. On the 4th day, I finally passed the tiny stones. Prior to that enema, I completed a warm water one, and my system was free of solid material. About 20-30 minutes later, I finished the coffee enema and passed the stones in one sitting. It was not the spectacular imagery that can be found on the internet. They did float. Gallstones often float because the major component of them is cholesterol, which has a lower specific gravity compared to water. Calcified stones are denser than water and will sink. In my situation, I obviously hadn’t ate food or fat in several days and I consumed only dark green, red, and dark orange juices. My stones were white, with a hint of ivory to yellow tinting.

      My reason for going the holistic route was because I had been experiencing GB problems for a few years and all of my ultrasound results were unremarkable. I do have a thyroid disease that tends to cause GB problems, and my bilirubin level was often elevated. I also ‘failed’ the HIDA scan. Although I never had gallbladder attacks, I had symptoms of a sluggish gallbladder. After seeing the stones that came out, I am certain that I passed 2 larger ones while vacationing in Italy. I became very ill and was likely eating a larger amount of fat, which may have caused my GB to contract more or stronger than it was used to do at home. The stones were about the size of peas. So, I do believe that the body can rid itself of small stones at a given time.

      I have always been skeptical about the liver flushes, but I do have faith in coffee enemas. I have a bachelors in dietetics and prefer holistic approaches to my health because my own disease was undiscovered by several doctors for many years. I am an avid Bikram yoga fan and believe that it has helped me manage my condition more than any conventional method I’ve tried.

      Take Care,

    30. Dr. Summers on March 14th, 2013 4:28 am

      PBC in particular may lead to stones because of the inflammation, scarring and thus narrowing and/or blockage of the ducts that causes a stagnant flow of bile. It’s a rather rare disorder though, and that is a much different situation than a healthy liver.

    31. Steph :) on April 14th, 2013 1:30 pm

      I was wondering… we all talk about the ‘stones’ that aren’t real stones, but do these flushes help reduce the amount of toxins, metals and chemicals in the liver?

    32. Dr. Summers on April 15th, 2013 7:48 am

      No. You must have natural fiber if you want to help the liver. Any toxins that are in the bile will be reabsorbed (enterohepatic circulation) unless there is plenty of fiber in the digestive tract to safely escort them out of the body.

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    34. Tom Sanger on September 10th, 2013 10:31 am

      Several years ago I tried the gallbladder flush with olive oil and lemon juice. I lay on my right side afterwards and felt 2 very distinct “objects” slipping down my interior right side. I was very skeptical about the flush but when it came to poop time I got out my rubber gloves and went digging and found 2 very large tan “stones” that looked like non capsulated vitamins but big enough that you might give to a horse. I broke them in half and they were consistent looking inside as well as outside being dry, mineral looking and tan. These were certainly not something I consumed in that form and then passed so they had to have come from somewhere.

      I am just amazed that with all the controversy surrounding this subject that there are not before and after ultrasounds which would certainly lend more to proving or disproving.

    35. Whitemorn on February 9th, 2014 11:40 am

      I have done the liver cleanse 3 times without any pain. Some of the 530 “stones” floated and others sank. It was suggested that the cleanse be done at least twice within a few weeks, so I did and passed about 250 “stones” the second time, but all floated. I have to say that I felt like I had taken 10 years off my age since I felt so much more energy. I’m sure my liver was happy to reduce the extra baggage so that it could perform better.

      The second time I did the cleanse, 6 or 7 years later, I felt a bit nauseated after it, but I forgot to do it at least twice, so that, I believe was the reason.

      I plan on doing another one soon, but this time I will do a second one soon after.
      Thanks for all of the discourse. I didn’t read the entire thread. ;)

    36. Lex on May 4th, 2014 8:22 am

      If these ‘stones’ are not really from the liver and / or gallbladder, then how do you explain the fact that people have reported so many positive effects from doing these cleanses ?

      FYI, I am a skeptic as well, but I keep an open mind, since I’ve seen some pretty unexplainable positive results as a result of the liver cleanses.

      And please, don’t tell me that it’s all a ‘coincidence’, because there are too many people having great results for it to be that …

    37. Jam on May 7th, 2014 1:01 pm

      Amazing! Well i did a series of liver flushes (8) starting last summer and finished last one in jan or feb 2014. i followed Clark’s and Moritz’s regime. Had fantastic results. No problems. BUT i was also expecting great results. My advice would be that if you want something to help you have to know that it will without doubt Call it whatever you want. I feel awesome because i made up my mind before i started that it was going to work. I did my homework and read as much knowledge as i could find about it and was very encouraged about it so i went ahead and did it without fear. As soon as you become stressed about something your body does not function normally and that may present problems for you. Go in without negativity and you will always succeed. My whole family did liver flushes and did great. So good wishes for all that proceed and if you are skeptical, well you need to read more about it and make your decision accordingly. But do not proceed until you are ready . Unfortunately there are never enough studies and clinical trials done on things that do not concern the big pharma industry cause they are the ones who fund the trials. Its a no brainer. Good health to all!!!!!

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    39. BB on June 29th, 2014 9:24 am

      I just finished doing Dr Clark’s Kidney Cleanse (3 weeks) followed by the Liver Cleanse (2 weeks) followed by the 2-Day Liver Flush. Here is what I have to say about the whole experience.

      Firstly, I consider myself “opened mind” and truly believe in the statement, “Don’t knock it until you’ve tried it.” I also believe that modern medicine has many, many benefits but I also belief that there are major flaws, problems, and issues within the medical/pharmaceutical industries (be it from a procedural point of view or from a financial or “business” point of view). I also believe that homeopathic medicine also has many benefits and in many cases more advantageous than modern medicine and in some cases just as good.

      I am not medically trained but have experimented with diet, exercise, various detox programs, and holistic remedies over the past 30+ years. I am currently 49 years old, very rarely eat anything processed or “machine-made” and keep detailed records of my bi-annual blood tests, which include kidney function, liver function, cholesterol markers, ALP, Bilirubin, Calcium, Creatine, CRP, Sodium, Zinc, Vitamin D levels (just to name a few).

      Based on the lab results, I will often change my diet or consult a homeopathic doctor for natural ways to address results that may be either too high or too low than normal readings. In other words, Im very proactive about my health and diet.

      Before doing the kidney and liver cleanse, I went to the hospital with a friend who was complaining about severe abdominal pain. He ended up getting an ultrasound to see if he was suffering from gallstones. After he was diagnosed, I asked if I could get an ultrasound to see if I had any internal issues I was unaware of plus I was just curious. I then got an ultrasound of my kidneys, gallbladder, panaceas, and liver. My results were clean, i.e. no indication of stones of any size. In fact, the doctor was a bit impressed and asked what my diet consists of. In the end, my friend had to have his gallbladder removed, which I belief was the best treatment for the severity of his problem (not one I would have like to make but one that I believe was necessary for him).

      It was after my ultrasound that I started my cleanses. I took the supplements and capsules and drank the herbal teas as described in the Kidney and Liver cleanses. I did the flush as instructed which produced quite a few “stones”.

      Ive read articles upon articles from the benefits of this flush to producing “olive soap”. After the flush, I was left with a few questions. I didn’t feel any better or worse than before doing it, although I did feel slightly uncomfortable during the actual flush, although not too severe. The questions I have are:

      1.) If I had these stones inside me, why didn’t they show up on the ultrasound? We are not talking tiny microscopic stones here, some of my “stones” were bigger than 5 mm.

      2.) Medical doctors state that gallstones do not exit anally. Well then why did these? Either they are not stones or gallstones DO exit anally. Who is wrong in this case?

      3.) The bile ducts are 1/2 mm in diameter, if these stones passed thru a 1/2mm tube, wouldn’t that cause pain? Wouldn’t I feel something 10 times its capacity cause pain coming out.

      4.) I tried to get my “stones” analyzed at a medical lab but they said they don’t do it… where can one send a sample of these stones in order to see if they are in fact real stones. I’d be willing to send and pay to get my sample analyzed.

      5.) When I was collecting my stones into the plastic container, I noticed that they smelled (no, I didn’t actually sniff them but have a very sensitive sense of smell) like “throw up”. Do gallstones smell like throw up or were these stones produced in my stomach and therefore smell like throw up?

      I’m not ready to claim these cleanses are bogus (since I have done numerous cleanses in the past in which I benefited immediately and that it actually produced what they said they would produce) but I do have my doubts about this particular flush. I’m leaning more toward it being medically inaccurate and bogus.

      In any case, can anyone comment on my questions or experience?

      P.S. I am planning a blood test to compare my results before and after the cleanses to see if anything changed because of it.

    40. Stephanie on July 1st, 2014 7:45 pm

      I have read all of the above and thank each contribution. This is useful!

      Regarding diet prevention guidelines, do you generally agree with these naturopath tips? ( They prescribe to stimulate the liver in order to help the gallbladder. I would love to hear your opinion, Kathleen.

      Since low-fat diets are recommended for gallstones, i am a bit confused on whether unsaturated fat are even allowed. (Saturated are out for sure). Of course we need some form of minimal fat intake, don’t we? So how much olive oil a day is ok and are how much nuts a day? Or does it mean 0 fat, period?

      Same confusion on cabbage and green tea for gallstones patients who are watching their diets so as not to build more stones. I read caffeine was a no-no (green tea has some, right?) and cabbage was not good either. Yet in the article pasted above, they encourage its consumption to stimulate the liver…:-(

      I am one of these vegetarians that developed gallstones, so food is only one component we can control..

      Thanks for reading and commenting.

    41. Kathleen Summers on July 2nd, 2014 5:18 am

      Thanks for leaving a comment. You are right that we need some fat in the diet and that is wise to choose healthy unsaturated fats like olive oil and nuts. Aim for less than 10 grams of fat.
      There is no problem with eating cabbage. In fact, it is high fiber so may even help. Green tea is great for you! Please don’t stop drinking it over concerns for gallstones. it won’t cause them or makes things worse in any way.
      Hope you are eating lots of beans and lentils and other high fiber foods like whole grains. They will help a lot.
      Best wishes for great health,

    42. Stephanie on July 18th, 2014 11:30 am

      In reference to the post above,

      Thanks Kathleen,
      I was glad to get a different opinion from you since my GP doctor gave me this leaflet that mentioned the cabbage being an issue. He also mentioned studies did not show for sure that low-fat diets helped with the problem. (???). He had obtained this info from the nutritionist they work with. ( wowww). So i side with you on the fact that a low fat-diet is better.

      Could you please specify if the naturopath guidelines above and below here are good to follow in the case of having gallstones? (

      Thank you for all the feedback.
      Have a bright and lovely day!


    43. Robert on September 2nd, 2014 8:51 pm

      Liver flushes have changed my life. I know of no other health practice that can do what the flush does. It makes me feel ten years younger, it clears my skin, and it expels parasites … every time.

    44. Olga on September 16th, 2014 8:13 pm

      I have done 6 liver flushes following Moritz’s book. I got first stones with flush #3. They are yellow/tan up to a good walnut in size. Majority is smaller. One was black. They float. I do not check for sinking ones. Not really important. Never had pain while flushing. I keep a heating pad on my right side before and after I take oil/grapefruit mixture. If it does not work for you think why?
      You need to have your liver and ducts open/relaxed. Use Epsom salt. Use a heating pad. Use good olive oil, read online how to know if it is good. Try to have your intestines empty by the time you need to drink oil. Do not give up after 1 or 2 flushes without stones.
      I do not care where they are coming from exactly, liver, gall bladder or anything. They are coming from my body and they should not be there. Wonderful cleanse!

    45. Mae on September 24th, 2014 11:24 am

      Dear Kathleen,
      I have done eight liver flushes following Moritz’s protocol. All proceeded without any pain at all. None of the stones I passed were spherical, but all were of irregular lumpy shapes. Most of them were pea green, but some of the smaller ones were white. At the last flush I cut open two of the large green stones and they were dark green on the inside. According to Moritz older stones are darker, so my understanding is that the reason that the insides are dark green is because this is older bile; and the outside is pea green since the surface is newer bile that has formed around the stone. How would you explain that the stones are dark green on the inside? I have photos of my stones if you wish to see that they were irregular or dark green on the inside.
      Many thanks for any explanation that you have.

    46. Xavier on September 30th, 2014 6:28 am

      URGENT :

      Any news from Willem-Jan ?
      In three days, I’ll have my GB removed. Is is the right choice ?
      Two stones of 1.5 cm each (viewed by ultra-sound and MRI) Frequent and painfull episodes during last six months. Radical change of diet since two weeks. Soy milk instead of milk, cream and butter banished. No more symptoms.
      However, ALL praticians I visited advised surgery and “spat” on cleanses. Even more, they said they would be irrelevant and dangerous !
      What do YOU think, and which decision did Willem-Jan finally make ?
      Does anyone know of anybody with the same history : big stones, no surgery, cleanses, success, no more symptom… Do such miracles exist ? All MDs, I repeat, ALL MDs I met disadvised me to follow this path. Surgery, according to them IS the only way…
      So what ?

      Let me quote his post again :
      ” on February 21st, 2013 6:10 pm

      Dear Kathleen,

      Very interesting reading here. I have been diagnosed with gallstones about six weeks ago, and was scheduled for cystectomie on the 19th of february 2013. I became aware of the liverflush a few weeks ago and decided to -at least- pospone the surgery. Have been reading a lot. My biggest stone is 1,5 cm. I suppose that this is a medium sized stone? I can’t seem to find many stories on the web where people got their gallstones stuck in the common bile duct after the liver flush. But the story of MARLENE CURYER ON APRIL 16TH, 2012 6:04 PM really makes me wonder about the risks involved here.

      thanks to everyone for the information shared here.
      kind regards
      Wim Jan “

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    48. Xavier on October 4th, 2014 12:04 pm

      Surgery postponed. Still waiting for some kind of reply to my post.
      What about ” ursodesoxycholic acid” ?
      Does it work ? Any side effect ? Can it be combined with Dr Clark flushes ?

    49. Anam on October 9th, 2014 3:39 am

      I am 27 years old and i have multiple stones in my gallbladder . I was not told the size of my stones therefore i was scared to do the cleanse. But nonetheless i did the cleanse . First time only two black colored stones came out . The second time numerous small green colored stones came out that i sent for a test. During this time my parents fixed 7th october for the procedure to get my gallbladder removed. Just about three days before 7th the test came out it said that the stones were made of bilirubin and cholestrol. Anyways after throwing a tantrum i have convinced my parents to cancel the surgery and give me time to just do four cleanse. Last night was my third cleanse. Today in the morning i got green small stones out but in the afternoon i got three really huge stones that actually caused a little uncomfortablness while getting them out .. I fail to understand how they came out i mean compared to the pain i felt when one got stuck in the bile duct this uncomfortablness in the anus was nothing and the size was huge .. Overall this is what i am doing i am having a spoonfull of olive oil and lemon in the morning on waking up than i have a quarter spoon of tarmaric two leaves of pattarchat plant and a glass of apple juice with a drop of apple cider.. I have tons and tons of apple/ apple juice in the day and i eat regularly. Every wk i do the liver cleanse . The espom salt and olive oil and lemon cleanse. I am suppose get an ultrasound after my sixth cleanse in total

    50. Anam on October 9th, 2014 3:45 am

      Oh i forgot to mention i am saving all the ultrasound pictures the gallstone test results so that on conclusion i shall send u both the last and first ultrasound .. What ever maybe the result ..

    51. Marius on December 29th, 2014 12:26 pm

      I can’t wait to hear from you…how did it go?

    52. selma on May 13th, 2015 7:09 pm

      Anam, I am curios as to what the results were?
      Did you end up getting surgery? I tried doing the clense two years ago when I was 21 I ate 5 apples a day with only salads, fruits and veggies for meals on the 6th day I drank empsom salt with warm water after that before bed I drank half a cup of lemmon juice with half a cup of olive oil and I did pass green stones the next day. My symptoms went away for a while but I never returned to get an ultrasound (no money) after a year or so the pain returned I did not do the clense I just changed my diet and the pain went away for another year or so, now here I am where the last six months I have been eating junk again and the pain has returned 4 gallstone attacks in the last 2 weeks. (HELL) I am trying to decide whether surgery is the best option. I want to do the clense again but all these sitess have put fear in my head (maybe that’s the point) who knows. But in my heart I think there is a way we can break them down and pass them I just need to find the right way to do it something that convinces me. I have spoke to so many people that tell me there is a way to pass these gallstones most from Mexico where in some places natural remedies is the way to go. They tell me of teas, of Chinese Herbal pills and such remedies that would work but don’t tell me exactly WHAT and that is driving me nuts. In one occasion a co-worker told me her cousins wife was diagnosed with gallstones while pregnant and that caused her a lot of pain. A friend of the family told her to go to a man in Houston, TX who sold Chinese natural medicine and he gave her some pills which she took and never had that discomfort again. But when I asked her to find out the name, location etc she could not get in contact with them, another lady told me about a tea she dranked and never had the pain again she said her older sister gave it to her but she did not know the name. She called her older sister to ask her gave me the name of the tea but when I finally found it I was to scared to try it since there was no info online. I think that was my mistake since I did not write it down and now I would rather try before trying surgery. Another man who is vegan and sells Omni-life told me they have products that dissolve the stones and help the gallbladder I have yet to purchase these products I do recall the man telling me that the gallbladder does play an important role and removing it can cause colon problems digestive problems and for some people the painful symptoms wont go away even after surgery. Someone with actual proof that they got rid of gallstones please I repeat please contact me I need (PROOF) I don’t want to do surgery I don’t want to get rid of my little organ. email is I am open minded but I am tired of hearing he said, she said. I need the actual person that tried a natural remedy and never suffered again, that the doctor said hey your clear no stones I need that person to contact me. Or maybe just some reassurance that I should do the olive oil and lemmon juice clense again…… yes maybe some grammar and/or spelling errors but I am at work and should have been off the clock 8 minutes ago haha bye guys best of luck to all of you <3
      Sincerely 23 year old gallstone sufferer :(

    53. arend on May 14th, 2015 11:28 am

      A gallbladder helps proper digestion, surgery is irreversable and therefore really the last option.
      I’d stay away from hospitals if possible, these folks are materialistic, narrow-minded arrogant corrupted crooks, specialised in cutting, poisoning and radiation, while charging a lot of money for usually incompetent work.
      To begin with, just drop all junkfood, it does not even taste well.
      Maybe that will give you enough time to figure out a strategy.
      If one remedy does not work, you can try another.
      The liver cleanse is supposed to follow a precise procedure, the timing is important for instance and one has to do it quite a few times in a row.
      If you suffer some day a gallstone attack again, epsom-salt ( in water ) may help instantly.
      An unnatural, unhealthly diet is like the cause of your problems, so that seems of course the first thing to focus on and to remember for the rest of your life, which can be still many years in your case.

    54. arend on May 16th, 2015 11:00 am

      P.s. i actually meant to say : An unnatural, unhealthly diet is likely one of the causes of your problems, so that seems of course the first thing to focus on and to remember for the rest of your life, which can be still many years in your case.
      Search “curezone liver flush” for experiences of others, that will give a wealth of information and views.
      There is no solid scientific proof that it works or not works either way, it has not been researched in a reasonably proper manner, but the risks seem limited and most people who did it feel positive about it.
      By the way, epsom-salt should never be overdosed.
      I read somewhere the following advice for what to do when having an acute gallstone attack, worth trying :
      “Drink 1/4 a cup of apple cider vinegar (preferably stored in glass). If possible, also chase it with 8 ounces of apple juice (preferably organic), or mix both together. Most of the pain should disappear within 15 minutes.”
      Every individual is different, life is complex and diverse, one formula for all is a dream, we will have to find what fits us best ourselves.

    55. arend on May 16th, 2015 11:42 am

      p.p.s. the chinese herb you heard about may be Gold Coin Grass :
      “Traditional Chinese medicine recommends the use of “Gold Coin Grass (GCG)” (botanical name: Herba Lysimachiae, Chinese sound translation: Chin-chien Tsao) to crush and soften the stones so that they will come out slowly. This tends to take a relatively long time. However, centuries of experience has shown that Gold Coin Grass (GCG) can be taken safely without side effects. In most cases, alleviation of gallbladder pain is experienced within a few days of using Gold Coin Grass (GCG) in tincture form.”
      Chinese Bitters, Coptis, and Curcuma also are considered helpful, besides the right personal diet and exercise and sunlight and drinking lots of pure water and god knows what, for you to explore ;) , good luck !

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